back in 2012, and I ain't to go back in town, but I do need to start there to talk about

prison. I was in South Africa, and I went to Robin Fowler. That's where Mandela was in prison,

the 18 of his 27 years in prison. So I went on the tour to that prison, and then I went to his cell, and then I saw how tiny it was.

Then it was in 2012.

And so when the group moved on, I stayed there at his cell.

There was a bucket on the floor for him to use as a toilet.

There was a mat that he stepped on on the concrete floor. And that's why he did

18 years, 18 years. And so at the sale, when everybody now, I just said a prayer and I think,

God, if I'm ever in this situation, just please give me the strength that you gave him.

That's all I ask you from. I'm not asking you to free me. Give me the strength that you gave him that's all i ask you for i'm not asking you to

free me i'm not like give me the strength that you gave you him today i've got another bite-sized

plot twist podcast episode for you which is a shorter clip from a past episode where the guest shares the

story of that pivotal moment in their life that directed them toward what ultimately became

their path and their purpose. Sometimes that plot twist looks like getting fired from a job

or maybe losing a bunch of money. Or in the case of today's guest, who happens to be my father,

Donald Watkins, his plot twist was being sent

to prison. What started as a devastating conviction turned into an unexpected calling, because while

serving his own prison sentence, my dad, who happens to be an accomplished attorney, discovered that

many of his fellow inmates had been wrongfully convicted or had serious errors in their cases.

And using his legal knowledge, he began helping other prisoners review their cases, free of charge,

and over the three years that he served in prison, he helped 47 inmates gain their freedom,

working tirelessly even when prison officials tried to stop him by putting him in solitary confinement

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