This is Molly Hemingway, encouraging you to listen to my favorite podcast, issues, etc.

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Expert guests, expansive topics, always extoling Christ, issues, etc. One of the most basic skills that is required of well really any politician but

especially the biggest politician that we have in our system the president

in the United States is that that person be able to clearly communicate, even perhaps be able to

persuade. So when we watch presidential candidates in a debate and we're

evaluating their performance, what should we be actually looking for?

Rather than just cheering for our side, what should be looking for in terms of the rhetorical

skills and that basic ability to communicate and persuade.

Welcome back to issues, etc.

Joining us to talk about the rhetorical skills of presidential candidates

Kamala Harris and Donald Trump,

Dr. Kirsten Kildall, she's professor of rhetoric and

director of debate at Hillsdale College. Dr. Kildall welcome.

Thank you, so kind of you to have me.

Are these modern presidential debates really debates?

The answer is both yes and no.

When we look at the moderated debate, that really breaks up what a debate truly should be a clash of ideas

between those people who are the interlocutors. I think we saw that particularly in the

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