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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

268. Live Not By Lies | Rod Dreher

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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🗓️ 7 July 2022

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Rod Dreher is a senior writer and editor for 'The American Conservative.' He is the author of three New York Times bestsellers: 'Live Not By Lies,' 'The Benedict Option,' and 'The Little Way of Ruthie Leming,' as well as the books 'Crunchy Cons' and 'How Dante Can Save Your Life.' In this episode, Rod Dreher and I discuss his latest book, 'Live Not By Lies,' the continuous emergence of Communism in the West, ideology as a substitute for religion, the importance of courage, and more. Thanks for watching. —Links— Follow Rod Dreher on Twitter: https://twitter.com/roddreher Read Rod Dreher's articles: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/author/rod-dreher/ Order Rod Dreher's books, 'Live Note By Lies', and others on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Rod-Dreher/e/B00JV2IX3O%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share. —Chapters—[0:00] Intro [1:25] Live Not By Lies [2:32] A Story from Communist Czechoslovakia [4:55] Our Old Idea of New Totalitarianism [9:13] Czeslaw Miłosz and "The Captive Mind" [12:26] The Appeal of Communism [14:50] The Weaponizing of Original Sin [18:36] Applying the Story of the Kulaks [22:43] The Emergence of Woke Capitalism [27:37] The Line Between Good and Evil [29:48] Solzhenitsyn's Rules for Responsible Conduct [31:31] Scapegoating and False Morality [37:28] The Fragility of American Elites [42:06] Vaclav Havel, The Myth of the Green Grocer [48:34] Fighting for the Right to Be Unhappy [56:37] Ideology as Substitute for Religion [1:00:56] Heroism as Anti-Ideology [1:09:52] Preparing for Persecution [1:12:33] A Message from the Church to Men [1:13:39] Courage [1:18:04] Rod Dreher, "Live Not By Lies" [1:20:07] Jordan Peterson's Daily Wire+ Deal [1:21:15] Daily Wire+ Intro [1:21:54] History of Rod Dreher's Religious Belief [1:27:08] Sexuality as the Last Temptation [1:32:45] Kierkegaard's Three Stages of Life [1:34:45] Journey Through Catholicism [1:36:36] Becoming an Orthodox Christian [1:45:00] A Respite from the Political [1:48:11] The Purpose of Prayer [1:50:23] The Jesus Prayer [1:54:36] Closing Comments #roddreher #livenotbylies #aleksandrsolzhenitsyn #jordanpeterson #communism #christianity // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.co... Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personality Self Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.com Understand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-... Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-m... // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.com Events: https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Blog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blog Podcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson Instagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson Facebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpeterson Telegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPeterson All socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson

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0:00.0

Welcome to episode 268 of the JBP Podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson. In this episode,

0:06.8

Dad spoke with Rod Dreyer, a senior writer and editor for the American Conservative.

0:12.1

As a veteran journalist for over 30 years, Rod's writing has also appeared in the National Review,

0:17.6

the Weekly Standard, the Wall Street Journal, and other publications. He's the author of three

0:23.1

New York Times bestsellers, Live Not By Lies, The Benedict Option, and The Little Way of Ruth

0:29.6

Ylemming, as well as the books Crunchy Conds and How Don't Take and Save Your Life. In this episode,

0:35.9

Dad and Rod talked about Rod's latest book, Live Not By Lies, the continuous emergence of communism

0:42.1

in the West, ideology as a substitute for religion, the importance of courage and more. Enjoy the episode.

1:02.4

Hello everyone. I'm here today with Rod Dreyer, a senior editor at the American Conservative.

1:09.0

He's a veteran of three decades of magazine and newspaper journalism. Rod has written two

1:15.1

previous New York Times bestsellers, The Benedict Option, and The Little Way of Ruth Ylemming,

1:21.5

as well as Crunchy Conds and How Don't Take Can Save Your Life. Today, we are opposed to discuss

1:28.5

his newest book, Live Not By Lies, Inspired Not Least by the great Alexander Solzhenitsyn,

1:35.9

author of The Goulagher Capelago, the book that helped bring down the evil Soviet empire.

1:43.1

Good to meet you, Rod. It's been a long time coming and I'm looking forward to discussing your book.

1:48.2

Yeah, thank you, Jordan. It hasn't been a long time coming because you of all people in North America

1:55.1

are an expert on totalitarianism. And so I've been very eager to see what your take on the book is

2:00.4

and to have a fruitful discussion with you about it.

2:03.2

Yeah, so the title Live Not By Lies, it's a lovely phrase, a catchy phrase too, for what that's

2:11.1

worth. And I suppose that indicates some poetic genius. Do you want to talk a little bit about

2:16.2

why you picked that title where it came from and also what motivated you to write the book?

2:21.3

Sure. Well, the title comes from an essay that Alexander Solzhenitsyn sent out to his followers

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