Hi, I'm Helen and this is a squiggly careers podcast where each week Sarah and I come together

to share with you some insights and ideas to help you with your squiggly career, to support you in the

successes and navigate through the knotty moments. And this week is National Careers Week in the

UK and it has inspired

us to have four very different squiggly career conversations to give you a window into someone

else's world of work and inspire you about the different directions that your squiggly career

can take you in. Our conversations this week include Sarah's discussion with Eric Sim, whose career story is full of

resilience and bravery and possibilities and pivots. BBC journalist Simon Monday, who talked to me

about progression and how to create and not wait for career opportunities. Sarah's conversation

with Steph Douglas, who's the founder of Don't Buy

Her Flowers. We're connected and followed Steph on Instagram for ages and she talks to

Sarah about the realities of running your own business. So some great insights into entrepreneurship

there. And today's conversation, which is myself talking to Jim McLeod, a Royal Navy rear

admiral who shares some fascinating insights on how to squiggle and stay in an organisation.

And I talked to him about his 33 year long career in the Navy and all the different and diverse things that he's done and what he has learnt about how to develop in different directions in one organisation.

So I hope you take a lot out of this conversation. Please do let us know how you found this

series, whether you want us to do more Squiggly Career Conversations. You can always email us.

We're Helen and Sarah at squigglycareers.com.

Jim, welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast.

Thank you.

I feel like from a dinner at the end of last year, I finally got you into a conversation talking about your career.

Yes, yeah, it's taken a while.

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