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And... We were just really good friends. And we just were out different ways.

I've been married for like 57 years.

Right?

And the whole thing, I could surf really good, but I was more important, more interested in having a family, you know, because a lot of surfers give up a lot to become a surfer.

They don't have a family life.

The family life for me was the most important thing because I was born during the war in Holland.

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