And the reason why I care so much about this is that if we talk about the notion that

there are principalities or there are like there are agencies which are above the human

consciousness or that gather human consciousnesses together and gather phenomena together,

let's say, then the idea that it's only either from heaven or hell, that it's only good

or bad is not the one we experience. We experience agency on us that doesn't necessarily have those

two polarities. And so the problem is if we experience that, then how do we account for it in our own symbolic structure?

How can we talk about it?

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

So hello everybody. This is the return of Richard Rowland. We haven't done this in a while. Universal

History, Richard has been super busy traveling. You've been traveling a little bit too. We've all

been pretty busy. But it's all for exciting things. And we're going to see some, we were just talking about

the Golden Key, which is a book

that Richard has been bringing up once in a while that he's working on now I wrote a piece for

and we're going to move on move forward with bringing that out you know Richard is right now

publishing all his fantasy stuff he started posting that and so we'll put a link to that in

the description.

There's just so many amazing things going on. So, so Richard, thanks for, thanks for despite

everything coming along. Well, I'm very glad to be here. And the extra like the backstory that

people out there don't know is this is like the third time that we've actually tried to get

together and record this episode.

And one time we just ended up needing to work on some other stuff. And another time I scheduled it on American Thanksgiving, not realizing that it was American

Thanksgiving.

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