Marshall here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the Friday edition of the Realignment.

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the show. Once again, that's realignment.supercast.com. Now, on to today's episode. Because it's Friday,

and I'm recording this a little bit in the day, I'm going to just go a little longer than normal

in this introduction. So I just want to give a quick preview so that folks who don't want to listen

to me go on for a little longer. If you got the chance to just skip to the broad conversation.

Today, I'm speaking with Peter Leiden. He is the host of the Civilization Salons at the Long

Now Foundation and is a senior advisor for Strategic Forsyth at Autodesk. People who have heard

the name Peter Leiden before will know that that probably happened yesterday when Saga and I

spoke of biology student Abbasin about biology's new book, The Network State, around halfway through

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