Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. We've got a great return guest today.

Apology, Swinnevawson has just released a new book. It's called The Network State.

I'm not going to be able to do any justice, so I will read you all in the description to describe

his work. Technology has enabled us to start new companies, new communities, and new currencies.

But can we start new cities or even new countries? This book explains how to build the successor

to the nation's state, a concept we call The Network State. Apology's work goes a bunch of

different directions, especially when it comes to technology and claims about cryptocurrencies,

such as Bitcoin. So, Saga and I decided to take a slightly different angle with him. A lot of

folks like Tim Ferris are going to do any reason for Apology where they're going to focus on

the technology in those bits. Instead, we took a step back and focused more on Apology's

ideology, what drives him, how he thinks about the United States, I think it's about China,

I think it's about American political debates, even Chinese internal political debates themselves.

So, lots of real great stuff here. Hope you enjoyed this interview. If you want a more technically

focused one, there are a bunch of other ones we'd really recommend to you all there, of course.

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