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Achtung, Achtung. Welcome to We Have Ways of Making You Talk. Lockdown to special editions.

As the nation batons down its hatches, we take a nautical turn today. Don't we James?

Yeah we do and I'm very excited about this because we've got Steve and Fisher today.

And Steve is a fine fellow. He's an archaeologist actually.

And that means he can do everything from kind of you know pre-stone age to R&A to Anglo-Saxon to whatever.

But his specialty is without doubt the Second World War.

And he's also as well as being an archaeologist. He's also a bit of a historian and has done an awful lot of work on British naval coastal forces in the Second World War.

I think you know if you think of sort of coastal commanders is the kind of sort of forgotten section of the RAF.

Coastal forces are probably for the forgotten section of the Royal Navy.

And they're fantastic and I never quite understand why we're so uninterested in them because they have incredibly cool fast boats that kind of hurtle about kind of machine gunning and canoning and sending firing torpedoes and stuff.

And what's not to like? Anyway so Steve knows everything there is no bad. And there's certainly a lot more than I do.

And I should also say that I've got to know Steve because he put me right on a few points when I was doing all that kind of D-Day stuff with gold, beach and the shared wood rangers.

And it's proved unbelievably helpful in helping me to kind of piece together actually what did happen particularly with the naval picture which we've since discussed on the poll and everything.

So Steve, welcome and thanks for coming on. Good morning. Thank you for having me and I'm very happy to be here.

Now, Steve, an archaeology of the Second World War. I mean obviously people's immediate thought when they hear the word archaeology is people sort of you know dusting dirt off of sandal that's been found in a burial pit in Wiltshire usually.

And or in the middle of nowhere in Scotland and they're dusting it off and they hold the sandal up to the sunshine in gloves now I expect to an aplastic bag and go right I know everything about this civilization of the strength of this sandal.

You know it's true. I mean well thank you. Good, good. My first impression is correct.

Now I'm fascinated because one of the questions that I think we toss it with sometimes is what point does a thing become history.

You know when does history start with what's the tipping point between you know is it 1980 or is it and when does archaeology start in that respect because archaeology is you know I think people generally think archaeology is like the old stuff or the

burial man's right. It's yeah it's burial man's and it's not it's not Kings and Queens is the stuff found in their toilet rather than

I'm not trashing your brain. You know what I mean. No, but you're hitting me with quite a deep question very early in the morning.

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