I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

You are listening to the Soapful podcast, and I'm Veronica.

And I'm Chip.

Welcome.

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With that over, what are we talking about today?

We're talking about sabotage and how people can often try and sabotage somebody's sobriety for a

variety of reasons. But I think it's something that is quite common. And I'm

amazed we haven't done a podcast on it before, actually. That's happened several times where I'm like,

this has been six years and I can't believe we haven't talked about this. I know. I mean, I think we

have in sort of various threads and stuff, but I don't think we've done like a whole episode around it.

No, but I think it's much more common than, you know, within families, within relationships, within friendship groups.

Because when you're making a decision to be sober, you are actually making quite a radical change.

You're making a radical change to sober, you are actually making quite a radical change. Yes.

You're making a radical change to your normal behaviour, your drinking behaviour, but also your social

behaviour, the things you're prepared to do socially, maybe the things you're prepared to do

intimately within a relationship might have changed completely as a result of being sober.

Maybe within your family there was a kind of history of, well, this is what we do.

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