I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, welcome back to the Soberful podcast.

I am thrilled to have Paul Churchill here today as our special guest.

Hi, Paul.

Hello, Veronica.

How are you?

I'm good. Some of you guys may know Paul from the Recovery

Elevator podcast. I know lots of people love that podcast and credit it with helping them get sober.

Yeah, Veronica, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. You know, in our private community,

we just did a book club study and we did one

of your books and thank you for showing up for the book club study. Yeah, you're doing great work

in this space as well. So what we're going to talk about today is how anything is possible

when we get sober. And I really kind of want to use this as highlighting

all of the good stuff about sobriety, because a lot of it is hard and a lot of it is a trudge.

And I know countless people who are just living lives beyond, like, I don't know, how long have you been

sober football football September 7

2014 was my last drink so coming up on 10 years this September that that that not there yet

but yeah yeah that's where I'm going that's the goal yeah and right I'm coming up to 24 years in May

and again if somebody had told me this at the start of my sobriety, what my life would

be like now, I just couldn't have believed it was possible. And there's nothing special and

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