263: Unabridged Interview: Joe Vukov

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

Lee Camp

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 555 Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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This is our unabridged interview with Joe Vukov. What if AI’s greatest revelation isn’t about technology at all — but about us? Philosopher Joe Vukov joins Lee C. Camp for a conversation about artificial intelligence, human dignity, and the spiritual dangers hidden beneath our technological optimism. Drawing from philosophy, theology, neuroscience, and Catholic social thought, Vukov argues that AI exposes how modern culture has already reduced human beings to data processors, forgetting the importance of bodies, relationships, and rooted human presence. To hear more on this topic from Joe, along with other scholars and experts in the technology space, listen to our two-part series: The Human Cost of AI Part 1 - Money, Sex, and Tools ⁠https://pod.link/1513178238/episode/NjgzOWVkY2MtMmQzOC0xMWYxLTkzOTYtY2Y0MDMzMjMyMTVh?view=apps&sort=popularity⁠ Part 2 - What Is It All For? ⁠https://pod.link/1513178238/episode/MWE5OGRlOWEtMzJjNy0xMWYxLTlhNzEtYWI0YzMzZDZjOWI2?view=apps&sort=popularity⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for part one of our AI series⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join NSE+⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — our subscriber-only community — for ad-free listening, member-only bonus content, and early access to live show tickets. Your membership helps make No Small Endeavor sustainable. No Small Endeavor: An award-winning podcast that asks what it means to live a good life. Through conversations with leading thinkers across theology, philosophy, psychology, politics, and the social sciences, we explore human flourishing, meaning and purpose, faith and culture, science and religion, virtue and character, religion and spirituality, community, and the practices that help shape a good life grounded in truth, beauty, and goodness. Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@nosmallendeavor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host Lee C. Camp: Lee has worked as a professor of theology & ethics for more than 25 years, teaching and writing on topics of faith & politics, inter-religious dialog, and human flourishing at the intersection of theology, moral philosophy, and social sciences. Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@leeccamp ⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, friends, Lee C. Camp here. You're listening to No Small Endeavor. This is our unabridged interview with Professor Joe Vukov.
0:09.3	Joe's a professor at Loyola University of Chicago. We got to sit down with Joe out in Waco, Texas at Baylor University, the Institute for Faith and Learning.
0:18.6	How does come out and join them, taping a lot of interviews,
0:22.0	one of which was a live plenary event with Ros Picard that you can listen to on another
0:26.3	episode. But with Joe, we got to sit down in the studio and talk about moral philosophy and
0:32.6	tech. Joe's a professor of philosophy, and so he thinks a great deal about what does it mean to live a good life.
0:40.8	And yet he's also done a lot of work thinking about technology.
0:43.8	A conversation with all the folks out there at Baylor were just really fascinating.
0:47.4	And this one as well with Joe, a lot of very helpful ways of taking what can be very arcane topics or seem arcane topics from the outside and make
0:56.8	them very understandable and highly relevant. And so a lovely conversation with Joe. So here's Joe Vukov
1:03.8	talking about AI tech and moral philosophy. Enjoy. Hello, friends, Lee Seacamp here. There is, as you may have
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