This is Jockel Podcast number 263 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

And this podcast is brought to you by you.

That's right.

This podcast exists because of your support and I've always dreaded having to say the

words this podcast is brought to you by whatever.

But we don't say that and we're not going to say that.

We're here and we're able to do we do because you support us in a bunch of different ways

and we own what we have here.

And we don't rely on any companies to sponsor what we're doing, which is nice.

I mean, other than the companies that we actually own and the companies that we own, make

the stuff that we actually use to do the things that we like to do and listen, it is a harder

road to take.

To harder road to take.

You can go that, you can go, you can go like just get that money.

And there's been times some people that are on this podcast right now have sort of petitioned

for that kind of thing a little bit, right?

Right.

Well, and that's legitimately because it's much harder to move to try and build companies

invest in your companies and run the supply chain and the personnel and deal with all the

finances and the tax and the thousands of things that you got to do to make a business

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