What you have here is episode number 262 of the way I heard it.

It's called Let's Talk About Septims and Scrotums.

And Chuck, I guess we should just start by apologizing the advertisers.

They probably didn't know they were sponsoring an episode with Scrotum in the title.

But you know what you get, what you get on this gig?

Yeah, that's true. That's very true. This is know what you get, what you get on this gig.

Yeah, that's true. That's very true. This is a good episode, though. We say that a lot.

We always say it's a good episode. But I know you've wanted to have this guy on for a long time,

James Nestor. Modesty aside, they've all been good. Some of them I think have been very good. And some of them are just satisfying in ways that are super personal.

And that's, for me anyway, that's the case here. James Nestor is a writer. He's a freelancer.

He's been in San Francisco for years. And he got famous not too long ago. He wrote a book called Deep. And then he wrote another book called Breath.

His book called Breath was the straw that broke the camel's back for me or my septum.

It's the straw that broke the septum's back.

It literally changed your life, didn't it?

Yeah, it convinced me after 35 years of being a mouth breather to finally get the

surgery I needed to fix my nose. And that happened early, early June a year ago, so about 14

months ago in real time. And it's changed every aspect of my life from the way I exercise to the

way I sleep. So I feel a measure of gratitude to this guy,

and I've always wanted to meet him. I've heard him interviewed in other places, and I admire his stuff.

You were saying before, which is pretty funny, you haven't read his book, but you feel like you

have because I called you, like at the end of every chapter and said, get a load of this. Well, yeah. I mean, we talk a couple of times a day, it seems. And as you were reading that book,

you would just tell me about the chapter or chapters that you had just read. I know all the

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