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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

261: Tish Harrison Warren: Your Burnout May Be An Invitation to a Meaningful Life

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

Lee Camp

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8555 Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

What if burnout isn’t failure, but an invitation to become more fully human? Back in 2023, Anglican priest and author Tish Harrison Warren hit a wall. She was exhausted by her work  on faith and public discourse at the New York Times, and discouraged by the constant controversy that came hand in hand with writing about religion in a public forum. So she left. What followed was a 2 year exploration of burnout in modern culture, and her most recent book: ⁠What Grows in Weary Lands⁠. In it, she explores the wisdom of early Christian teaching, and the many ways that embracing limits, difficulty, and the “arduous good” can lead to deeper meaning and authentic human flourishing. Key Ideas: -Embrace the Arduous Good: The most meaningful parts of life (relationships, faith, vocation,) are often difficult, and their difficulty is part of their inherent value. -Grow Roots Through Limits: Depth comes not from endless options but from accepting constraints and staying present long enough for roots to form. -Practice Faith as Craft: Like any meaningful discipline, faith is shaped through daily habits and persistence. -Walk Toward the Desert: Seasons of burnout and spiritual dryness are not failures but invitations to deeper growth and transformation. -Choose the Local Act of Love: Real flourishing happens in embodied, everyday acts of care, not abstract ideals or grand ambition. ⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Tish Harrison Warren⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Join NSE+⁠⁠⁠ — our subscriber-only community — for ad-free listening, member-only bonus content, and early access to live show tickets. Your membership helps make No Small Endeavor sustainable. No Small Endeavor: An award-winning podcast that asks what it means to live a good life. Through conversations with leading thinkers across theology, philosophy, psychology, politics, and the social sciences, we explore human flourishing, meaning and purpose, faith and culture, science and religion, virtue and character, religion and spirituality, community, and the practices that help shape a good life grounded in truth, beauty, and goodness. Follow ⁠⁠⁠@nosmallendeavor⁠⁠⁠  Host Lee C. Camp: Lee has worked as a professor of theology & ethics for more than 25 years, teaching and writing on topics of faith & politics, inter-religious dialog, and human flourishing at the intersection of theology, moral philosophy, and social sciences. Follow ⁠⁠⁠@leeccamp ⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Lee. See, Camp, this is no small endeavor exploring what it means to live a good life.

0:09.4

I mean, a lot of what I wanted to do in this book is just tell different kinds of stories.

0:15.3

And I wanted to normalize things being hard or things being unfulfilling, that that's okay.

0:21.6

That's Anglican priest and author Tish Harrison Warren talking about her most recent book,

0:26.6

What Grows in Weary Lands.

0:29.6

When I was younger, the notion of getting stuck somewhere was terrifying to me, but I have sort of come to see in my midlife. If you refuse to get

0:40.4

stuck, what that means is we'll never develop depth. We talk about burnout in the digital age and the

0:47.0

ancient wisdom that has helped her navigate a season of spiritual drought. Learning to walk towards

0:52.8

the difficulty of that, instead of fleeing from it,

0:56.2

those are the muscles we have to develop. All coming right up. Hello friends, Lee Seacamp here.

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