Welcome, everybody. We've got a great one today for a change. I try to keep these evergreen,

meaning you could listen to this a year from now and say, hey, the experience of listening to this is no different than it would have been when it first came out.

And today will be Evergreen only if nothing happens in the Trump impeachment in the next 12 months.

And I suppose that's unlikely.

My guests today are Dahlia Lithwick and Jeffrey Tubin, two legal giants.

I was almost afraid to have them on because I thought they might sue me.

But I looked into it and they are not litigious.

They're not litigious people.

They mainly write about the courts and the law, and I've decided I wanted to take a look at what legal issues will arise between now and the day Trump is either convicted or acquitted, however many months in the future that may be.

I record my conversation with Dahlia and with Jeffrey, October 30th, so a couple things have already happened since our conversation.

The House voted to approve a resolution that sets out the impeachment process.

No surprise there.

Although not one Republican voted for it.

And two Democrats did not.

So you could say we're a little divided politically in America, but I guess you knew that.

And John Bolton was summoned to testify before the House on this Ukraine matter, and he said he will

appear if subpoenaed.

So that's since we recorded this, and a lot will go down between now and the Senate

vote on impeachment.

You know that.

I wanted to start with a couple things that I'm thinking about.

The first is very simple.

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