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26: The Postponement of the Budapest Meeting and Negotiating with Putin. Cliff May discusses the postponement of the Trump-Putin Budapest meeting, attributing it to Marco Rubio insisting on a cessation of hostilities, which Foreign Minister Lavrov rejected, d

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 25 October 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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The Postponement of the Budapest Meeting and Negotiating with Putin. Cliff May discusses the postponement of the Trump-Putin Budapest meeting, attributing it to Marco Rubio insisting on a cessation of hostilities, which Foreign Minister Lavrov rejected, demanding "all Ukraine." May warns President Trump against being outnegotiated, referencing Stalin's success over Roosevelt and Churchill at Yalta. Putin admires Stalin, who expanded the Russian Empire and engineered the Holodomor famine. May stresses that Russians negotiate only to win, not to compromise.
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This is CBSI and the world. I'm John Batchelor, and I welcome my good colleague Cliff May,

0:34.0

the founder and president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy,

0:39.5

and a man who has spent some time in Moscow as a student, shoulder to shoulder with the leaders of the Soviet now Russian Federation. And one of those leaders, Vladimir Putin,

0:47.1

was at Moscow University at the time. He also is a man who studies Russian history, knows it very well.

0:54.0

And there is a moment where a man

0:56.5

named Stalin, real name, Jushkovili, man named Stalin, negotiated with a man named Winston Churchill,

1:07.4

and came out on top of the deal. What does that tell us about President Trump's

1:13.9

prospects of dealing with Vladimir Putin and at least coming to a neutral end? Cliff writes a

1:19.7

letter to the open to the president right now, an open letter in the Washington Times. Cliff,

1:24.6

a very good evening to you. You've got the credibility. You've got my attention.

1:29.9

Well, can I, I'm sorry, one small correction here. It wasn't Moscow University. It was

1:35.7

Leningrad, State University, Rara, Ra, Ra, go Reds. And, you know, it's like, you don't want

1:41.5

to confuse Yale and Harvard. You know what I mean? People get upset because they have their alma maters.

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