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This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel. The book is McNamara at war, a new history. Philip and William Taubman, the authors. I'm speaking to Professor Bill Talbman of Amherst College.

It is 1965. Linne Johnson has been successful

in domestic policy to a degree that it must be protected, his successes of the Civil Rights

Act, the Voting Rights Act, and other legislation that we now call the Great Society. However, the Vietnam War puts all of it at risk.

It puts him in a position where he believes that he must be successful in everything

to maintain his advantages in the Congress to maintain his domestic policy.

That's the tangle from the president's side. Bill, the tangle from

McNamara side is that increasingly with his control of data, he sees that the war is not

going to be easily resolved. He sees that. And he tells that to his companions, his colleagues. He does not tell it to the

media or to the American people. Do we know why he held back and was not candid? He was certainly

candid about the missile gap when he first became Secretary of the Treasury. He was certainly

candid a truth teller in meetings in which he upset the general staff,

the admirals, he disappointed everybody in the building because he would speak candidly.

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