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excited to bring you part two of this incredible conversation with literary managers, Daniela Gonzalez,

and Garrett Greer.

If you haven't listened to Part 1 of our conversation, we do refer back to that a bit in this talk,

so it might be worth going back and checking that out.

I also want to say thanks to our show's other incredible producer Jonathan Hurwitz and our amazing interns, Lauren Loseberg and Alex Vargas, for asking great questions on today's show.

This is a great conversation. We get into

some specifics and even talk a bit about the state of the industry right now, which I know all

of us have questions about. So it's very cathartic and very insightful. And of course, thanks to

Danielle and Garrett for joining. And also thanks for our listeners. We hope you enjoy the talk.

Being a writer, whether you're a long-time professional

writer, you know, or, you know, in dealing with everything right now and like the finances,

responsibilities. And then I have a thousand ideas, right? Like, oh, I'm going to go work on this

book series, right? Because it made, because I, I couldn't figure out how to solve a different story problems. I, oh, I'm going to go work on this book series, right? Because it made, because I couldn't figure out how to solve a different story problem. So I'm like, I'm going to go solve a different story problem. So it got me inspired then to come back and solve that other story problem. Like it did have function or it was a way not to do my work. Right. And so trying to figure that out. Then I feel bad about myself. Then I spin out. Right. So then it becomes like I'm working on too many things and I don't have focus. And my manager is amazing. And she's like, okay, Lorian, let's talk about what you're doing. Right. She gives me the rundown and the deadlines. But I feel the pressure of the reality of being a professional writer right now is so hard. Even when you have people

in your corner, even when you have, you're listening to podcasts and you're getting great advice,

actually applying that to your life is such a challenge. So what advice do you have for people

who are reped or aren't? And I'm not asking for myself at all. Don't even worry about it. I'm asking

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