We're at McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness Podcast.

Practicing good leadership is difficult enough in everyday situations, practicing good leadership

when you're literally under fire whether from bullets or actual flames, truly put your

leadership skills to the test.

My guest stays experienced both kinds of fire and not only live the tell about it, but

the still out the lessons every man can learn from those life-worked death experiences.

His name is Jason Brezler and he's both a Marine combat veteran and a current firefighter

for the New York City Fire Department.

Brezler not only served in Iraq and Afghanistan and works in the New York Fire Department's

special operations command, but he's also the owner of a leadership consulting firm called

Leadership Under Fire that teaches organizations how to develop leaders that are able to make

critical decisions and lead their teams to success when under pressure.

Today on the show, Jason and I talk about the experience in Fallujah, what it takes to become

a firefighter with the New York City Fire Department and the lessons on leadership and decision-making

from battling both human enemies and hot flames.

After the show is over, check out the show notes at a1.is slash leadership under fire

where you find links to resources being built deeper into this topic.

Jason Brezler, welcome to the show.

Hey, Brad, thanks for having me.

You got a really interesting resume.

Your combat Marine, you are a firefighter for the New York Fire Department and their special

operations command.

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