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So I ran up behind them and kind of at the last possible moment. Watched him fall about 20 feet, hit this ledge and then bounce off into blackness.

Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with producer Jason DeFilippo.

Tommy Caldwell is a superstar in the rock climbing community. Since age 3, Tommy's been traveling the world, challenging himself on impossible rock faces and climbs. Many other people wouldn't even attempt.

Most recently, he climbed the dawn wall of L Capitan at Yosemite National Park. This is literally an almost entirely flat rock surface.

Watching this, watching these guys do this on Netflix, they've got the dawn wall. This is like watching Spider-Man scale a skyscraper except Spider-Man has more handholds than those guys did. It's just unbelievable.

Before L Cap, Tommy lived in extreme childhood and early in his career, who's even kidnapped by militants in Kyrgyzstan, sliced off his finger as if free climbing wasn't hard enough already.

Today's episode has some great stories and a really in-depth look at someone who is obsessed with a craft and has pursued it to mastery. I really enjoyed this conversation and I know you will as well.

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In the meantime, here's Tommy Caldwell.

I know you started climbing at age 3 and your dad was into it. I'm wondering, your dad was an adventurous guy. He's a big bodybuilder schoolteacher guy for the movie.

But you being born early, a little bit premature. Do you think he did some of what he did? Maybe toughen you up a little bit?

Yeah, certainly. I mean, I think the fact that he had this scrawny little kid probably for a macho bodybuilder, paying him greatly and so he had to figure it out a way to combat that.

Not only say that, I guess half tongue in cheek, he was a schoolteacher as well as a bodybuilder. And so he thought a lot about how to take the kind of smaller self conscious kids and make them more confident and rock climbing was his avenue for that. And I was this perfect test subject.

Yeah, I had no confidence. I was really, really naturally shy, really mentally delayed when I was young and climbing is what fixed it for me in a lot of ways.

I had a good laugh watching the movie the other day because my mom was a special ed teacher. And he said something like, well, I was mentally delayed probably up until now.

Still, still, but never leaves you.

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