#255 Freedom's Dominion w/ Jefferson Cowie
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 5 December 2022
⏱️ 76 minutes
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Summary
On July 4, 1964, Alabama Governor George Wallace decried the passing of " [a] law that is going to destroy individual freedom and liberty in this country." That law was the Civil Rights act of 1964, which struck down many of the Jim Crow laws that relegated black Americans to second-class citizens. How could Wallace and so many like him throughout American history see no irony in decrying the federal government for taking away their freedom to deny freedom to others? In this episode, we take that question up with Jefferson Cowie whose new book, Freedom's Dominion: A Saga of White Resistance to Federal Power (Basic Books, 2022), explores the meaning of freedom as understood by the white residents of one county in southern Alabama in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Dr. Jefferson Cowie is James G. Stahlman Professor of History at Vanderbilt University, where he teaches social and political history. You can hear our previous conversations with Jeff in episode #24 The Great Exception: The Rise and Fall of the New Deal Order and in episode #115 The 1970s.
This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.
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| 0:00.0 | Ben, you got your cricket shirts. |
| 0:07.0 | You've had time to wear them. |
| 0:09.0 | What do you think? |
| 0:10.0 | Bob, I love these shirts. |
| 0:13.0 | Bob, it's hot outside. |
| 0:14.0 | I sweat like crazy. |
| 0:16.0 | I overheat. |
| 0:17.0 | And so a lot of times what I do is I wear like a nice polo shirt to work, you know, |
| 0:20.8 | like a nice collared shirt. But they're all the ones I've got before, they're kind of rough, you know, so you wear an undershirt with them, which just kind of makes it hotter. I can wear these shirts with no undershirt. They're cool, Bob. They look good. That's, that's the 100% Pima Cotton. It's amazing. |
| 0:37.6 | Like, it's so soft. |
| 0:39.4 | And it just, the heat, that's, that's the 100% Pima Cotton. It's amazing. |
| 0:37.8 | Like, it's so soft. |
| 0:39.3 | And it just, the heat, it feels, I used to say about linen pants, it feels like you're not wearing pants, it just feels like your legs are in the shade. This is the first shirt that I've worn that feels like this. And it looks good, man. They got different styles. Like, I never even imagine that you could make like a standard polo shirt look so different. |
| 0:55.9 | Right. |
| 0:56.4 | I love these collars. |
| 0:58.0 | I love these collars. I love my favorites, the, |
| 0:59.2 | slim fit player's shirt. The range polos are great. You got to go on the cricket website. |
| 1:04.8 | It's cricket shirts. That's C-R-I-Q-U-E-T shirts.com. check out everything they have designed in austin texas i love this |
| 1:16.3 | company i love what they're doing they've reinvented the polo shirt ben like you said teaching |
| 1:21.5 | you could wear sports coat over these things yes and even better i could wear nothing over these |
| 1:26.6 | things except for this shirt and it looks good and like like with a good pair, like a good nice pair of jeans and a good pair of dress shoes. And like I feel like I'm getting away with something wearing this to work. You know what I'm saying? Like how am I getting to wear this to work? I wear them to work all the time. Oh yeah. On stage. You were wearing these shirts before they |
| 1:44.5 | sponsors. That's the amazing thing. So guys, I can't tell you enough. My recommendation would be |
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