254 - The Healing Advice That's Actually Keeping You Broken
Life Happens with Barb & Michelle
Michelle Maros & Barb Schmidt
4.9 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 21 April 2026
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
You've read the books. You've tried the meditation. You've done the journaling, the breathwork, the therapy. So why do you still feel stuck?
In this episode of Life Happens with Barb & Michelle, master well-being educator Devi Brown joins the conversation for one of the most honest discussions about healing we've ever had. Devi spent years teaching wellness to athletes, executives, and thousands of students through her Deeply Well podcast and her work at Chopra Global. Then her own life fell apart... and she discovered that everything she'd been teaching wasn't enough to save her.
What she built from that breaking point became her book Living in Wisdom... a completely different approach to healing that doesn't start with fixing yourself. It starts with being brave enough to actually meet yourself. This conversation goes beyond surface-level wellness and into the real, messy, uncomfortable process of becoming whole.
In this episode, you'll learn:
- Why "doing the work" can still leave you stuck... and what's actually missing
- The difference between surface-level wellness and true well-being
- What "Complex Lived Experience" means and why it changes how you think about your pain
- Why Devi's 8-step healing process starts with grief, not gratitude
- What it looks like to live in wisdom on an ordinary Tuesday... not just during a retreat
If you've ever felt like you're doing everything right and still not feeling better... this episode is going to change how you think about the entire journey. Devi's book Living in Wisdom is available now in paperback (as of TODAY).
📍0:00 Introduction & Wellness Industry Overview
1:11 Welcoming Devi Brown
2:11 Healer Burnout & Passing the Torch
10:17 Creators, Art & Living for the Work
17:31 Music, Consciousness & Cultural Roots
18:13 Bridging Generations & Staying Curious
26:10 Navigating Uncertainty & The Shift from Hope to Faith
33:36 Freedom After Divorce
39:20 Surface Wellness vs. Real Healing
40:47 The Wellness Industrial Complex
59:38 Truth Telling & The Personal Healing Path
1:05:38 Closing Reflections & Where to Find Devi
Connect: @DeviBrown @DeeplyWellPodcast
Read: "Living in Wisdom" DeviBrown.com Now Available!
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| 0:00.0 | And I think because of the nature of this now being a quote unquote industry and not just like a spiritual path, there's a lot of confusion there. |
| 0:07.7 | And so from the teacher level down to the student level, you have a lot of people that are there with different levels of embodiment, different levels of integrity and a completely different agenda. |
| 0:19.4 | But they're gathering in the same room. I think when we |
| 0:22.4 | thought of the early stages of wellness, it was so green juice, pedicure, great things, you know, |
| 0:29.7 | what makes you happy. And now I think we're in a different space where burnt out, we're exhausted, |
| 0:35.0 | we're feeling overwhelmed by the world. And I don't know if people necessarily |
| 0:39.1 | know how to make that shift to actually take care of themselves. Hope is the bedrock, has been the |
| 0:43.8 | bedrock of my life forever. But it has to go to faith. I've had to take a leap to faith now because I |
| 0:49.5 | am older. I don't have enough years for hope. So now I rely on faith. I have the faith that if I stay the course and I keep doing the work that I'm doing |
| 0:57.0 | and more people are living in wisdom, this is powerful because this does go beneath the surface. |
| 1:03.0 | It truly goes down there in what we need, not just to survive, but to thrive, as my Angelou said all the time. |
| 1:09.0 | We're here to thrive, not just survive. |
| 1:11.6 | You've read the books, you've tried the meditations, you journal, you breathe, you show up to |
| 1:16.2 | therapy, and somehow you still feel stuck, like something is missing that you can't quite name. |
| 1:22.0 | And the frustrating part is nobody told you that knowing the tools and actually healing |
| 1:25.9 | are two completely different things. |
| 1:28.6 | Debbie Brown knows this firsthand. She spent years as one of the most sought-after wellness educators |
| 1:34.0 | in the country. She taught healing to athletes, executives, and thousands of students. And then her |
| 1:40.3 | own life fell apart. And she realized that everything she'd been teaching wasn't enough |
| 1:45.1 | to save her. |
| 1:46.1 | But what she found on the other side of that breaking was a completely different roadmap. |
| 1:50.7 | When that doesn't start with fixing yourself, it starts with sitting still long enough |
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