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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

254: Laurie Santos: The Science of Happiness (and How We Get It Wrong)

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

Lee Camp

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8555 Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Many of us spend years chasing the things we believe will make us happy, success, recognition, the next promotion, the perfect relationship, only to discover they don’t satisfy the way we expected. Why are we so often wrong about what will make our lives better? Yale psychologist Dr. Laurie Santos, creator of the most popular course in Yale’s history, Psychology and the Good Life, joins Lee C. Camp to explore the science of well-being. Drawing from decades of research in psychology and happiness science, Santos explains why our minds often “miswant” things we think will make us happy, but won’t actually do so. We cover how social comparison continually moves the goal post of our satisfaction and why practices like gratitude, social connection, and self-compassion actually do move the needle on well-being.  Key Ideas Correct Our “Miswanting” Humans consistently mispredict what will make them happy, often overvaluing achievements, money, or status while underestimating the power of relationships, gratitude, and meaningful activity. Practice the Bronze Mindset Happiness often depends on our reference point; learning to focus on what we have rather than what we narrowly missed can transform how we experience success and disappointment. Invest in Real Connection Genuine social interaction—from deep friendships to small conversations with strangers—remains one of the strongest predictors of long-term well-being. Embrace Negative Emotions as Signals Feelings like sadness, loneliness, or overwhelm are not failures of happiness but important psychological signals that guide us toward needed changes. Turn Knowledge Into Practice Knowing the science of happiness isn’t enough; lasting flourishing comes through habits—small, repeated behaviors like gratitude, rest, and time affluence. Take Baby Steps Toward Well-Being Even small practices—ten minutes of meditation, a gratitude journal entry, or a meaningful conversation—can gradually shift our lives toward greater happiness. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources and Transcript⁠⁠ for abridged episode with Laurie Santos⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join NSE+⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — our subscriber-only community — for ad-free listening, member-only bonus content, and early access to live show tickets. Your membership helps make No Small Endeavor sustainable. No Small Endeavor: An award-winning podcast that asks what it means to live a good life. Through conversations with leading thinkers across theology, philosophy, psychology, politics, and the social sciences, we explore human flourishing, meaning and purpose, faith and culture, science and religion, virtue and character, community, and the practices that help shape a good life grounded in truth, beauty, and goodness. Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@nosmallendeavor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Host Lee C. Camp: Lee has worked as a professor of theology & ethics for more than 25 years, teaching and writing on topics of faith & politics, inter-religious dialog, and human flourishing at the intersection of theology, moral philosophy, and social sciences. Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@leeccamp ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Lee C. Camp and this is no small endeavor exploring what it means to live a good life.

0:08.0

We have some theories about the kind of stuff that will make us happy, right? We often assume it's about our circumstances. If I could hit the powerball tomorrow, I would be happier. But what many, many studies have shown is that our forecasts are off.

0:24.9

That's Yale psychology professor and host of the Happiness Lab podcast, Dr. Laurie Santos, talking about her research on the science of well-being.

0:33.5

A lot of the scientific work in the field of positive psychology happiness studies really

0:38.9

winds up verifying a lot of the stuff that we've known from spiritual traditions for a long time.

0:44.1

We discussed the viral happiness course that catapulted her into the headlines and the science-backed

0:49.4

strategies that can help us all lead happier lives. We know what to do. We know what works. We just have to figure out good ways to put it into practice.

0:58.0

All coming right up.

0:59.0

Hello friends, Lee Seacamp here.

1:02.0

If you enjoy the kinds of conversations we have here on Nosephal Endeavor about ideas, culture, and how we might make sense of the world,

1:08.0

there's another show you might appreciate. It's called The Gist with Mike Peska. The Gist is the longest running daily news podcast, and each weekday,

1:16.5

Mike takes about 30 minutes to examine the stories shaping our moment. What makes the show

1:21.1

interesting is that it resists the usual partisan scripts. Mike brings on economists, historians,

1:26.8

journalists, and other thinkers to look at

1:28.4

issues from multiple angles. One day he might unpack the dynamics of a major political story.

1:33.5

Another day, he might explore the psychology behind public outrage or while we humans are so quick

1:38.5

to believe strange things. Mike's an award-winning journalist whose work has appeared in an

1:43.1

outlets like The Atlantic,

1:48.9

the free press, and the Washington Post. His approach combines careful reporting with a sharp sense of humor and a willingness to question assumptions wherever they come from. If you're someone

1:53.7

who likes thoughtful inquiry and conversations that challenge easy answers, give the gist a listen.

1:58.5

You can find the gist every weekday on YouTube or follow wherever you get your

2:02.3

podcasts. Hey friends, Lee Kemp here. We all need advice, but it's not always clear who to ask, even in

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