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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

253: Unabridged Interview: Sonja Lyubomirsky

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

Lee Camp

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.8555 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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This is our unabridged interview with Sonja Lyubomirsky. What if the secret to happiness isn’t success, status, or even positive thinking, but the simple act of letting yourself be known? Psychologist and bestselling author Sonja Lyubomirsky has spent more than three decades studying human happiness. She shares from her new book, ⁠How to Feel Loved: The Five Mindsets That Get You More of What Matters Most⁠, about what science reveals about gratitude, kindness, hedonic adaptation, and the surprising limits of life circumstances. Her newest research goes even deeper: happiness flourishes when we feel genuinely loved, and that begins not by impressing others, but by becoming known. Key Ideas: Rethink What Happiness Is: Happiness is both feeling good in your life and feeling satisfied with your life—an interplay of emotion, meaning, and progress toward what matters. Don’t Chase Circumstances: Beyond basic needs, new cars, promotions, and bigger houses bring only temporary boosts because of hedonic adaptation. Practice What You Can Control: Gratitude, acts of kindness, and intentional habits can measurably increase well-being—even influencing immune health. Lead With Curiosity: The first step to feeling loved is helping someone else feel loved—through genuine questions, deep listening, and real presence. Choose Vulnerable Connection: We feel loved not when we impress others, but when we allow ourselves to be seen in our full humanity. Adopt the Multiplicity Mindset: No single behavior defines you—or anyone else; compassion grows when we remember we are all complex, unfinished quilts of strengths and flaws. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources and Transcript⁠⁠ for abridged episode with Sonja Lyubomirsky⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join NSE+⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — our subscriber-only community — for ad-free listening, member-only bonus content, and early access to live show tickets. Your membership helps make No Small Endeavor sustainable. No Small Endeavor: An award-winning podcast that asks what it means to live a good life. Through conversations with leading thinkers across theology, philosophy, psychology, politics, and the social sciences, we explore human flourishing, meaning and purpose, faith and culture, science and religion, virtue and character, community, and the practices that help shape a good life grounded in truth, beauty, and goodness. Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@nosmallendeavor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Host Lee C. Camp: Lee has worked as a professor of theology & ethics for more than 25 years, teaching and writing on topics of faith & politics, inter-religious dialog, and human flourishing at the intersection of theology, moral philosophy, and social sciences. Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@leeccamp ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, friends, Lacey Camp here. You're listening to No Small Endeavor. This is our unabridged

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interview with Professor Sonia Lubramirski. Professor Lubermerski is one of the world's leading

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researchers on human happiness. I was delighted to get to interview her because I've been

0:17.6

using one of her books for one of my undergraduate classes for a long time now

0:21.5

called the how of happiness. It's a sort of scientific investigation into the mechanisms of

0:28.5

human well-being, human flourishing, human happiness, 12 practices that she and or others have studied

0:34.6

in labs, treating them as interventions of sorts.

0:38.5

That is, just as one might study through randomized clinical trial, certain vaccines.

0:42.9

They studied in the same way, randomized clinical trials, certain practices,

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to see the impact that those practices would have upon our happiness.

0:51.3

Then, in time, one of the things that she began to learn was that so many of those

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practices related to human connection. That is, they related to whether or not we have a sense

1:02.3

that we are loved ourselves by others around us, that those that are especially happy report

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especially feeling loved by others. others well what sorts of interventions might

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there be that make that possible and that's what her latest book is about and thus we had in this

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wonderful conversation both a discussion about her earlier book and her most recent book a great

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conversation i hope you find this immensely helpful.

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Here's Professor Sonia Lubramirski. Hey, friend, if you didn't know, I started a newsletter a while

1:33.6

back that comes out every two weeks. I have been delighted to hear from so many of you about positive

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response to the newsletter. We call it the No Small Endeavor Notebook, where I riff on themes and topics related to our

1:46.4

podcast, giving you additional material for thinking and doing in your own quest to make sense

1:52.6

of what it might mean to live a good life. Join us by going now to knowsmallendeavor.com

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