253: Sadness as Celebration, Part 2
Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
David Burns, MD
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🗓️ 2 August 2021
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
#253: Sadness as Celebration, Part 2
In today's podcast, Rhonda and David present Part 2 of their work with a young woman named Rose who has been struggling with profound feelings of grief since learning of a discouraging update on her father's struggles with multiple forms of cancer.
A = Assessment of Resistance
At the end of the moving and tearful empathy phase, Rhonda asked Rose if she felt ready to do some work, or needed more time to talk and share her thoughts and feelings.
She said she was ready to do some work, and described her goals for the session:
I know I cannot change the facts, and I would not want to eliminate the grieving, but I would like to dial down the intensity of some of my emotions, particularly when I'm triggered.
Next, we did some Positive Reframing to highlight what was positive about Rose's feelings. You can click here review the list of positives that we generated.
Rose's Positive Reframing Table*
| Thought or Feeling List your negative thoughts or feelings, one by one, in this column. | Advantages and Core Values--Ask yourself
|
| Sadness, depression | Shows my deep love for my dad and honors the contribution and impact he's made in my life |
| Shows the strength of our relationship | |
| Anxiety | The anxiety is warranted in this situation, shows that I'm being realistic with the situation |
| It shows my love for my dad, being worried is a way of showing care and concern | |
| It shows that I don't want him to suffer | |
| It motivates me to connect with him and to make every moment count | |
| It makes me vigilant so I explore every possible treatment option | |
| It motivates us to think about moving to be closer to him | |
| It has motivated us to schedule another visit again in July | |
| Guilt | Shows my connection to our family |
| Drives us to visit as much as possible | |
| Shows that I don't want to live with regret | |
| Feeling defective | Shows that I'm honest about my flaws |
| Shows I feel that I'm not doing a good job supporting others, so it means I have high standards in my relationships | |
| Shows that I'm vulnerable | |
| Lonely | Shows my love for my dad and the important role he plays in my children's life |
| Shows how strongly that I value relationships | |
| Motivates me | |
| Hopelessness | Shows I am being realistic |
| Prevents me from getting my hopes up too high | |
| Prepares me for the inevitable | |
| Makes me value and make each moment count | |
| Might decide to discontinue the chemo if it causes problems and isn't helpful | |
| Makes me more vigilant | |
| Frustration | Shows I haven't given up or thrown in the towel |
| Anger | I will fight and contest this! |
Now you can review Rose's Emotions table at the end of Positive Reframing, showing her goals for each emotion when we used the Magic Dial. The idea is to dial each feeling down to a lower level that would reduce your suffering, while still allowing you to preserve all the awesome things about you!
| Emotions | % Now | % Goal | % After | Emotions | % Now | % Goal | % After |
| Sad, depressed, down, unhappy | 100 | 50-60 | Lonely, alone | 80 | 10 | ||
| Anxious, worried, frightened | 100 | 30 | Hopeless, discouraged, pessimistic, despairing | 90 | 10 | ||
| Guilty | 80 | 15 | Defeated | 70 | 20 | ||
| Defective | 70 | 10 | Angry | 80 | 25 |
As you can see, she wanted to dial all of her feelings down to low levels, with the exception of her sadness, which was an expression of her love for her dad.
M = Methods
We used Explain the Distortions, the Double Standard Technique, and the Externalization of Voices, including the CAT (Counter-Attack Technique).
Here's how Rose challenged Negative Thought #1.
| 1. He's going to die; we're running out of time. | 100 | 50 | No distortions | We're all going to die, but I can be present on those moments when we are together. | 100 |
David discussed healthy vs unhealthy grief, and shared some stories of love and loss. He also talked about the concept of sadness as celebration. In this case, a celebration of Rose's love for her Dad. The impending loss, of course, is tragic, but the wonderful father daughter relationship is beautiful and perhaps somewhat scarce, as so many people have not had such a beautiful relationship with their parents.
At the end, Rose said the session was "incredible and special" You can take a look at her end of session scores on the Daily Mood Log (link).
After the session, Rose sent the following email:
Hello David and Rhonda,
Thank you so much for that amazing session today. I am feeling so much more contentment and gratitude after talking with you both. I even feel lighter and more hopeful.
The key insight for me was realizing how special and precious this relationship is that I have, and rather than focusing on what I won't have. It sounds like a cliché, but it is true for me and seems to have freed up a weight.
I will definitely do my homework, and will can send you the completed DML after listening to the session as that may help. And as for sharing with my dad, I'm going to be calling him to tell him what a wonderful session I had and that when it is published he can listen to it so as to have and share this beautiful experience.
Thank you so much once again!
Rose Markotic
Thank you for listening today!
Rhonda, Rose, and David
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast, where you can learn powerful techniques |
| 0:11.6 | to change the way you feel. I am your host, Dr. Ronda Borovsky, and joining me here in the |
| 0:16.8 | Murrieta studio is Dr. David Burns. Dr. Burns is a pioneer in the development of |
| 0:22.3 | cognitive behavioral therapy and the creator of the new team therapy. He's the author of Feeling |
| 0:27.4 | Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States and has been translated into over 30 |
| 0:33.2 | languages. His latest book, Feeling Great, contains powerful new techniques that make rapid recovery |
| 0:39.3 | possible for many people struggling with depression and anxiety. Dr. Burns is currently an emeritus |
| 0:45.2 | adjunct professor of clinical psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine. Hello, |
| 0:51.6 | Rhonda. |
| 0:58.6 | I'm getting more lamented by the week. |
| 1:01.1 | That's hilarious. |
| 1:05.3 | Hi, David, and welcome listeners to episode 253. |
| 1:12.7 | This is the second part of the personal work that David and I did with Rose, and she talked about the grief she's experienced with her father. And then in this part two episode, in part, part one, we kind of |
| 1:20.7 | did the testing and the empathy and tried to connect with Rose and make sure she felt understood both her thoughts and feelings and |
| 1:30.7 | accepted. |
| 1:32.4 | And I think one small teaching point about part one was that we weren't trying to interpret |
| 1:38.7 | anything. |
| 1:39.4 | We weren't trying to cheerlead. |
| 1:40.9 | We weren't trying to change anything. |
| 1:43.3 | We just wanted to paraphrase what Rose was saying and what she was |
| 1:48.5 | feeling. You have to use discipline to do that and resist the urge to help or rescue someone and just be with them and use |
| 1:57.5 | I feel statements and express your sadness, the compassion that you feel, |
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