Sometimes the things we're most comfortable with are the things we should think about changing.

On today's episode, how leading organizations are using new management practices to upend business as usual.

This is Coaching for Leaders episode 253.

Produced by Innovate Learning Maximizing Human Potential. human potential. Greetings to you from Orange County, California.

This is coaching for leaders and I'm your host Dave Stahoviac. Leaders aren't born, they're made, and this weekly show will

give you access to the best thinkers, resources, and actions to help you to develop your leadership skills.

One of the things that I'm constantly looking at and I know many of you are as well too

is what are leaders and organizations that are on the cutting edge doing differently in order

to support their success, the success of their organizations, and most importantly, the success

of the people that they serve.

And that's why I'm really glad today

to welcome someone who's been doing a lot of thinking on that not only in his

book which is just recently out but he's been doing that actually for many years and helping

support the successive leaders and my guest today is David Burcas. David writes

regularly for Harvard Business Review, Forbes Psychology Today, and 99U.

And he's the founder and host of Radio Free Leader, a podcast that shares insights on leadership, innovation, and strategy.

And he's also associate professor of management at oral Roberts University

and is the author of the new book, Under New Management management how leading organizations are upending business

as usual David welcome to coaching for leaders and thank you so much for having me well

when we were talking originally,

I was so surprised that you and I hadn't connected already

because we've both been running leadership podcasts

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