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Hello, hello, I'm your host, Trevor Windsor, and you're listening to Episode 252 of the Pure Desire Podcast.

You're joining me, as always, is my co-host, Nick Stumbo.

Well, I went down in a burning ring of fire. That was a decent Johnny Cash. Yeah,

it's probably the best I got. I mean, there was a little bit of Elvis mixed in there, you know,

like a little bit of the, It's so good. That's...

Are you a Johnny Cash fan?

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate the uniqueness of his tone and I mean, the Johnny Cash story

I think is very interesting, just he's got quite a mix of faith and struggle and, you know,

brokenness that is really kind of very apropos to the podcast discussion today. Well, let's get to it.

We had Rodney Wright, our advancement specialist on, to talk about really what we have seen,

the Ravi Zacharias situation, the accusations, and really sexual misconduct amongst Christian leaders.

Yeah, this was one of our top red blogs of all time. And I wrote it at a time when the investigation came out with their preliminary report. And I think

that's why it got some legs because a lot of people were just hearing about it and found the stuff that

I was writing. And it just hits us on a lot of levels where we're just like,

how could this happen? What do we do about it? What's going wrong? And I think in our conversation

today, that's what we're trying to address because we're honestly a little tired of seeing

Christian leaders go down in a burn and ring of fire. And it feels like it's going to just keep

happening unless we have conversations. And I think what we're

trying to bring to this conversation is not just the what happened and what went wrong.

Because I honestly, I've read a lot of blogs and articles that are just all about what went wrong

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