Hey, here we are. This is kind of fun. Our first video podcast at home. We did one in Hawaii a couple weeks ago, but this is exciting to have something new.

I agree. So a few weeks ago, I asked on Instagram in like a little

question box for ideas on things that people want us to podcast about. And you and I read through

all of these before we started recording today's episode. And the one that kind of jumped out to

both of us was someone who said part two did you

ever think the light would shine again and what was interesting there is i don't know if this

person meant too but i didn't see a part one so i think she's just referring to you know part

two of our story but then we talked about how this relates to so

many things in life. Like certainly our story of addiction recovery and how we were in a really

dark place for a long time, both of us with that and how our marriage, you know, has been in

a bad place more than once because of addiction and other things too.

But, you know, we have, you have some pretty significant experiences with grief with losing

two brothers at two different times in your life. And for me, I also thought about postpartum depression, my fourth baby with

Harry, how that felt like I would never see the light again. So I think there's some pretty

different experiences that we'll go through, but there are some common themes on how we got

through that. So let's start with grief,

especially since that's kind of fresh for you since it's been five years since Dave passed away.

And maybe just start with what you remember was Steve and then, you know, did it feel like

things were ever going to get better and then

compare your experience to Dave? Yeah. Well, I think it does seem like thinking back on Steve,

I was young. I was like 12, 13-ish, you know, kind of when things went down and then after he died.

But I remember, I think you're never the same when something like that happens, like a

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