Welcome to Douglas Wilson's The Plodcast, presented by Canon Press.

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Welcome to the podcast. This is episode 251.

251 times. Wow. This is Douglas Wilson. Thank you for joining me. It's good to be with you.

I'd like to talk a little bit about Christian

nationalism, which is currently apparently a thing, right? So I went many, many years without calling myself a Christian nationalist, but all of a sudden I find myself in the middle of this.

A month or so ago, Meet the Press came out and interviewed us about our project,

evangelistic project and cultural project here in Moscow

and they had a segment on us.

And I was surprised to see the whole segment was framed by them as in terms of Christian nationalism.

It's not a term I would have picked out for myself at a store if I'd or an item on the menu I would have

selected if I were in a restaurant, but it's also a term I'm willing to work with,

especially considering that the alternatives are things like

Christophacist and Theophacist and religious extremist and white supremacist and so on.

A Christian nationalism is a term that can admit of a reasonable

sane definition and one that's a biblically defensible.

So I'd like to talk a little bit about framing that discussion.

When people say Christian nationalists, what they're trying to do is evoke sort of the the nationalism of the of the Nazis, you know, the the so that the ideology that grips a country and takes over and that country is going to go

roostering down the road in its imperialistic way, and that's not what I mean by nationalism at all.

You've basically got, there are basically three options when we're looking at the planet

and the fact that we've got billions of people on this planet

these people are going to be organized in a certain way and then there are only a limited

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