This is Jocco podcast number 251 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

And also joining us tonight is my brother, Life Babin.

From podcast 11, first guest ever on the podcast, 34, 65,

114, and 138.

And obviously, Life was in task unit bruiser as the Charlie Patoon commander.

In the battle of Ramadi, we wrote extreme ownership, we wrote the dichotomy of leadership together,

and we have a leadership consultancy called Eschelon Front.

And I, at one point in my life, gave him the book that I've been reviewing for the last couple episodes

that I wrote the new forward to.

The book is called About Face.

And we're going to talk a little bit about that, but then we're going somewhere else.

Wave thanks for coming back on, man.

That's right.

Last time you were on was 2018.

14 August 2018.

The world has changed drastically since then.

That's kind of crazy.

It's crazy that as much as I see, we just didn't coordinate for another podcast in over two years.

Apparently, did you say everything you had to say on the first five? Apparently so.

That's just the way it is.

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