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I'm a honey laminar, sit alone and talk and watch your hawk making lazy circles in the sky.

I'm a honey laminar, sit alone and talk and watch your hawk making lazy circles in the sky.

I'm a honey laminar, sit alone and talk and watch your hawk making lazy circles in the sky.

I mean, he told me with his own mouth that he was in gay.

I told Joe at least three times, Travis was not gay.

Travis was baying every girl in a park.

And I found out later, and John Femme came out and said, look, I gotta tell you, I'm really not gay.

I've been sleeping with the girl at the front desk and we're going off to get married.

All through school, I was dating girls.

From time in kindergarten till I graduated, I'd go from look every time.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente.

I'm Jim Clemente.

You retired FBI Profile Reformer, a New York City prosecutor and right producer of CBS's Criminal Minds.

And what me today is?

Laura Richards, Criminal Behavioral Analyst, former New Scotland New Art and Founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

And I'm Lisa Tambetti. I am the casting director for CBS's Criminal Minds, and we are back.

Yes, we are talking about sort of a mashup between Joe Exotic and the Tiger King.

It is, I don't know, incredibly complicated and very, very intriguing.

What was happening in Oklahoma and Florida and how this whole thing comes together, disturbing.

That's the best word I can think of right now.

It's so disturbing, but let's jump back into where we left off.

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