Okay, folks, you are listening to Life on Planet Porky, the podcast. Thank you very much indeed for tuning in today.

And thanks also, folks, for all the great responses to the last podcast, which you were listening to, of course, just a couple of days ago, which introduced for the first time Ben the Arrow Fletcher. And Ben,

I'm delighted to say you're back with me today. Thank you very much indeed for joining me.

You must have been well pleased with the feedback from the audience. Very much so. I mean,

it's a real pleasure. I mean, you know I go way back and some of the happiest memories have been

with you on overnights on Talk Sport and various other shows and it's a real privilege to be alongside

you and even bigger joy to hear that the nonsense I'm coming out with is going down well.

Not nonsense at all mate, you know, I mean you and I are deep thinkers, deep talkers,

you know, when we bring the issues up here, people can then go into pub and say,

hey, that Ben Fletcher said this, the Arrow said this.

Porky disagreed with him.

Anyway, look, there's lots to get on with.

And I tell you what I'll talk to you about, because it's that time of the year.

Now, you're a father of two young kids.

That's correct, yeah.

So how do you work it with holidays?

And holidays, I think, for parents who've got children of your age aren't really holidays. They're just one massive 14-day responsibility to make sure your child doesn't come to grief.

In effect, yes. It depends on whether you're going as a family of three or four, so mum, dad and kid or two kids or three kids or having many.

My most recent holiday was in New Yorker with my in-laws and my brother-in-law, so the two boys had their uncle with them. So that was good

because we had a bit of downtime and we had a bit of pressure taking office because they were all

over their uncle. They wanted their uncle Paul in the pool and playing and such like and

he became a bit of a novelty. So whilst I still have my usual fatherly duties and nappy changes

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