we're going to go a bit of a different direction today, and I'm very excited. We talk a lot about

what scripture means and what Christian nationalism looks like in American history, but I mentioned

specifically that we talk a lot about the separation of church and state, and that freedom of

religion does not exist without freedom from religion. So how do we create spaces where every religion

or the non-religious are on equal footing with everyone else. Because if you

listen to a Christian nationalist often talk, they act like religious freedom only applies to them,

while they're, meanwhile, allowed to enforce their religion in, say, public schools. But there's a series

of ideologies that come from this train of Christian doctrine, Christian

and quotation marks, that you're only a Christian if you believe doctrine this way. You're only

a Christian if you're anti-gay. You can't get sober without God. You can't be a good person

without God. None of those ideas have any kind of data behind them whatsoever. And that's part of

the reason that I'm bringing on my guest

today to talk about some of these issues. Kyle Sullivan, if you've seen him online, he goes by

the username Celtic Jumper, is a recovered alcoholic and addict with over nine years of sobriety.

He began seriously making content at the beginning of COVID to help pass the time, grew a huge

following on both

TikTok and Instagram. He's an alternative model, Halloween enthusiast, which was primarily what

his content focused on. But as he watched the rise of the second Trump regime, he felt

compelled to speak out about the hypocrisy and the atrocities he felt he was witnessing.

On top of that, he's a full-time carpenter. He's working on his first

book that talks about getting sober without religion, God, or AA. Kyle Sullivan is a satanic atheist

living in California. He's happily engaged to his fiance, Jennica, and has two children, pumpkin and

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