Death is fundamentally affecting all of our desires to achieve and all our desires to create and all our desires to you know feel like we're contributing in some way so if you build a building or if you build a nuclear weapon or you start a war these are all death incentivize these are all come from death.

Lay down on the green grass remember what you love me. Come closer don't be shy. Stand with me for any sky. The moon is old for the rise, think of me as a train goes by.

Clear the fizzles and ramboos, whistle didn't deramboos. Now there's a bubble in me and it's flowing in me.

That was Tom Weitz. I guess I should say that was Tom Weitz singing about being dead and all lay your head where my heart used to be on the earth above me. He's singing the song from the grave.

Why did we open with Tom Weitz because this week's special super special super cool episode of tangentially speaking features young woman named Caitlin Dodie who's a licensed mortician and founder of the order of the good death.

Caitlin was born on a balmy August evening on the very unmoorbid shores of Oahu Hawaii. She's an interesting woman as you'll hear sort of a woman with a mission and her mission is to bring a healthier more balanced more mature appreciation of death to our death deprived death.

Death ridden world when I say death deprived and death ridden you know there's as much death in our world as in any other world and any other social sphere.

But we hide from it right and one of the things you'll notice if you go to Spain go to Barcelona where I've lived for 20 years now 20 some years.

You go to the famous book idea market on the rumbless where all the tourists go.

One of the things you'll notice when you walk into that market is the dead animals there are dead rabbits hanging from hooks there are.

Lams there are ducks and chickens and things that are dead animals and as an American you get used to not seeing dead animals you get used to thinking of hamburger as if hamburger grows in a tree or a bush or you know it's a root vegetable or something it's actually a ground up you know dead body is what it is and we forget that and we forget that because we're in the

college to forget that because we never see the death around it we never hear the screaming of the pigs being slaughtered as I've heard in various countries around the world most recently on the beach and go an

error bowl we would hear the pigs screaming I mean if you've never heard a pig being killed you're missing something you know because next time somebody tells you animals don't feel fear or

agree for a full range of emotions you can tell them they're full of shit because you heard a pig freaking the fuck out because it knew it was about to get killed as I can tell you they are

they know what's going on and they don't like it one bit anyway there's no death in our world you know like as I record this my father's in the hospital I've been going in

there every day to see him and we hospitals are largely places where old people go to die you know out of sight I don't think my father's dying he seems to be

getting better thank you for asking but the point is I've spent a lot of time in hospitals I worked in hospitals in

Spain for quite a while working with Spanish physicians on various things but the point is that we we put death out of sight because we want it out of

mind because it freaks us out and so we don't like to talk about death we don't like to see death and yet we're fascinated by it because on a very deep

perspective level we all know that death is part of life and we may be one of the only animals that consciously knows that this whole thing ends with death you know those

pigs knew that something really nasty was happening and they were about to become bacon but I don't think a pig sort of grows up with this

whole despair that human beings often have there's some very interesting research you might want to Google called terror management theory it's a whole branch of

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