I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning That you might be a treasure

I could touch but never hold

And we are back with the Soberfall podcast.

I'm Veronica Valley

And I'm joined with Anne Dousset Johnston again.

Hi, Anne.

Hi, Veronica.

Hope you've enjoyed this just little stint of

co-hosting episodes that Anne and I have done. And we look forward very much to seeing you guys

in our five-day masterclass that is coming up very, very soon. Next week starts Monday the 22nd of January. It's a masterclass for women

who want to know how to be sober, how to get sober, and how to more importantly be emotionally

sober. It starts Monday, 22nd of January, five days. There's a bonus Q&A actually on the

following Monday, and it's going to be 1pm

Eastern Time, which is 6pm in the UK. And I've worked on this for a long time. It took us a long

time to try and get our diaries together. And it's been an ongoing conversation. It's a one-off

thing. It will be recorded. So if you can't make it live sign up and come to, you can get the

recording. But we bring considerable experience and backgrounds to this work. So I think it's something

that you don't want to miss. Okay. So what we're going to talk about today, Anne, this is an

interesting conversation. This is not one I've thought about for a long

time, but I think it was a really good idea to do it on going public with your sobriety. So there's

kind of different levels of that. There's this sort of just, you know, beginning to tell the people

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