248 - The Spider-Man Apocalypse
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
4.8 • 933 Ratings
🗓️ 10 August 2022
⏱️ 21 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | When Marvel started their multiverse idea, this is, of course, an idea that has been there in comics for a very long time, but when they put it into the movie world, I became a little worried, I guess more than worried. |
| 0:11.4 | I had the impression that they were going to use this multiverse notion to bring about, you know, the kind of diversity, inclusion, equity stuff that is so popular now, |
| 0:22.7 | and that they would use it as a way to replace characters with everything that is kind of |
| 0:29.6 | in line with the current political thinking. And we had a little bit of glimpse of that where |
| 0:35.2 | in the Loki series, they seem to be using the |
| 0:37.7 | multiverse notion to replace the male Loki with the female Loki and as the |
| 0:41.5 | series goes on you know this female Loki becomes more and more prominent and at |
| 0:46.5 | the end it seems like the series is about her or something and you saw that also |
| 0:50.7 | in the animated what if series where every episode seems to be about |
| 0:54.7 | something like that. |
| 0:56.2 | And so I was, of course, thinking that it was kind of a postmodern tool because the whole |
| 1:01.4 | multiverse idea is a kind of postmodern tool in itself. |
| 1:05.8 | But then I was quite surprised when I saw the recent Spider-Man movie No Way Home. And in the Spider-Man |
| 1:13.2 | movie No Way Home, I saw something that I've been thinking about for a very long time, |
| 1:18.1 | that I've been meditating on, which is the possibility of turning post-modernism against itself |
| 1:24.1 | or rather transforming the chaos and the fragmentation and the meta awareness |
| 1:29.1 | and the irony and the comment upon comment |
| 1:31.4 | that you find in postmodernism |
| 1:33.0 | and turning it into something like |
| 1:34.7 | an apocalyptic type of storytelling. |
| 1:37.1 | So I think that it's surprisingly enough |
| 1:39.0 | in the No Way Home movie, we get a glimpse of that. |
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