Marsha on Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.

Got a great episode for you. Today we're speaking with Saga Graman.

He was Andrew Yang's 2020 campaign manager and co-host the podcast

forward with Andrew. Before we get into that, we'd love to

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realignment.supercast.com. You know, this episode with

Zach is really great. It's everything that's right up Saga and my alley, this whole debate over

how much has the political game changed given 2016, given 2020, given the internet,

given dynamics, giving the collapse of gatekeeping abilities. It was always weird space.

They're always kind of confounding data variables. So for example, 2020, New York Times,

the endorsed Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. Doesn't mean

anything. One could look at that fact and say, hey, the gatekeepers, the establishment,

the New York Times, nothing means anything. As Zach discusses, though, in a local race,

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