Welcome to the Making Sense podcast.

This is Sam Harris.

Okay, well today is yet another PSA.

This time on the topic of police violence and the relevance of

jujitsu training to mitigating some of the problems there.

Today I'm speaking with Henner Gracie.

And Henner, if you don't recognize the name, is a third generation member of the legendary

Gracie family that is credited with creating Brazilian jujitsu in large measure.

And passing it down through now three generations where Henner and his brother here on are some

of the best teachers on the planet.

And they have focused in recent years on teaching police officers the skills they need to apprehend

and control suspects without significantly injuring them.

Right, and jujitsu as you'll hear is uniquely good for this and this training is being made

available to police departments all over the country and Henner and here on are at the

forefront of this.

They're not the only people doing it, but they are amazingly effective at what they do.

As you'll hear this conversation is a true PSA and almost an infomercial for this kind

of training.

And that's not an accident, we're at a moment now in the public perception of policing

that is nothing short of calamitous.

As I record this, we're getting to the end of the Derek Chauvin trial.

It's of course not yet clear what the verdict will be there.

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