245: Josko Gravner
I'll Drink to That! Wine Talk
Levi Dalton
4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 24 February 2015
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
Josko Gravner produces wine from Friuli in northern Italy and from Slovenia. He is joined by his daughter Mateja Gravner, who acts as translator for this interview.
Also in this episode, Erin Scala considers the reemergence of clay amphora in the wine world.
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| 0:00.0 | I'll drink to that where we get behind the scenes of the beverage business. |
| 0:05.1 | I'm Levy Dalton. |
| 0:06.1 | I'm Erin Scala and here's our show today. Oh, Today we'll take a look at how vessels have changed wine history. One of the most interesting shifts |
| 0:33.8 | in the ancient wine trade is when merchants made |
| 0:36.2 | the switch from clay and foras to wooden barrels. |
| 0:40.0 | When small ships made relatively short trips |
| 0:42.4 | around the Mediterranean, |
| 0:43.8 | and forests seem to be the obvious answer to the storage of liquids. |
| 0:48.2 | Each one could be carried by a single person. |
| 0:50.8 | They could stand upright or lie flat, and they could be sealed and stamped giving the buyer some confidence in origin. |
| 0:57.0 | And for us were also inexpensive and it was often cheaper to break them once you were done than attempt to reuse them. |
| 1:05.7 | But as trade expanded to places where in for a pottery wasn't necessarily a given, other technologies |
| 1:12.1 | began to be used for shipping liquids. |
| 1:14.9 | And over just a few centuries, barrels took over. |
| 1:18.4 | Burrows were useful on longer journeys. |
| 1:20.4 | They could be tapped and root and accessed by the crew. |
| 1:23.0 | By rolling them, one person could move a larger volume around from ship to ground, |
| 1:28.0 | and barrels are also very durable. |
| 1:30.0 | And somewhere along the way, barrels became desirable for their flavor, and today we see a lot of oak aging with the intention of changing the wine's flavor. |
| 1:40.0 | We also see a pushback against all of this, with many winemakers around the world |
| 1:44.8 | reverting back to using older materials, such as cement and clay. Large cement tanks |
| 1:50.2 | are efficient uses of space, and this material has a relatively small impact on the wine's flavor. |
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