What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

IndieHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot

of money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these indie hackers to discuss the ideas,

the opportunities and the strategies

they're taking advantage of, so the rest of us can do the same.

Today I'm talking to Ben Orenstein and Derek Rimer on the Art of Product podcast.

They've both been on the show before. Ben is a co-founder of a company called Tupil,

which has got to be the best tool for remote pair programming. And Derek is the founder of a company called SavvyCal, which is what I use to schedule meetings, podcast recordings, and literally any type of appointment where I need to see if my calendar matches up with the other persons. In this episode, I talked to Ben and Derek about community building, about long-term

goal setting, and about building a dream team of people that you actually enjoy working

with at your startup.

If you like the episode, make sure to head over to their podcast, The Art of Product, and

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So, uh, we didn't, Derek and I were noticing that you have not been very active on twitter lately

i'll just come out and say i don't like tweeting i don't like being a personal brand that much

it's a lot of effort it feels like uh sort of endless treadmill where you can never really win

you know you're just always sort of running off of it and the seconds you stop you die and so i It feels like an endless treadmill where you can never really win.

You're just always sort of running off of it and the second you stop, you die.

And so I just stopped, which I guess means I'm dead.

But I think for me, building a community, like the cool thing is, like, community goes on

without me.

You know, I can step away for a week or two or a month, and Andy Hackers goes on,

because, like, I am not the value for Andy Hackers. It's everybody in the community making posts and talking to each other and leaving comments, et cetera, et cetera. And so it's like, I have the opportunity to build something much bigger than myself. And every now and then I find myself backsliding. Like, I talked to a friend who's just, like, crushing it on Twitter or their newsletter just hit 200,000 subscribers. I'm like, oh man, I'm doing it wrong. Like, should I do that?

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