Hello, my name is Justin LeClew, and I'm here today with Will Sloan.

And this week, I hope our listeners are ready to get animated because we're talking about Ralph Bakshi,

adult only. Ralph Bakshi is the director of Fritz the Cat, heavy traffic, American Pop, Fire and Ice,

as well as that movie that you always looked at at the video store and thought,

Ew, what's that? Yes, I'm talking about Cool World.

The one that if you rented and watched, you actually learned, oh, it is actually about

having sex with cartoon characters. Now, I have had scattered

experiences with Ralph Bakshi throughout my life, and none of them have been very positive.

I saw Wizards when I was a kid, didn't like it. I saw Fritz the Cat when I was in second year

undergrad, left me totally unmoved. I saw fire and ice at some point,

and, you know, if there's one thing that I cannot abide in this world, just irrationally,

it's super serious, like, solemn cartoons for grownups from like the late 70s and early 80s,

you know, stuff like heavy metal or, you know, stuff that has like Conan the Barbarian aesthetics, basically. I thought you were going to say, the one thing you can't abide is rotoscoping, in which case, I would agree with you. Oh, and how could I forget that Ralph Bakshi is also very famous for doing that animated version of Lord of the Rings that you don't like.

Return of the King, the Hobbit? The one with all the rotoscoping, the one that everybody has seen a bit of on TV and is repulsed

by.

But hey, possibly some Ralph Bakshi fans are listening to this.

And Justin and I were both very interested in exploring

Ralph Bakshi's Uvra because he has an interesting place in film history. He is the cartoons for

grown-ups guy. He is the guy who made all of that forbidden fruit when you were a kid.

And you know what? I come from the same position that you do is that I think maybe in the early 2000s, there was a kind of Bakshi Renaissance in the sense that a bunch of DVD companies started to put these, you know, dangerous movies out.

So I owned Wizards. I own Fire and Ice. I owned even the MGM, I believe, DVD of heavy traffic. And I did not like any of them. I was

repulsed by them. They were not fun. They're not funny. And I was like, I don't get these. And I think I

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