I'm always torn about what to put out on the main feed of the podcast what to put in the

paywall stuff and what to just not put out on audio at all and just leave for YouTube.

It's very difficult knowing exactly because I mean there's so many of you listening and watching

which is fantastic but you all have different tastes and thoughts and things.

So you should, so you should.

And I always think well you know after what are we on?

240 to 50 episodes something like that.

You think it would be nice to change things up and I've tried to do that with this episode at the same time.

It's not that different because we're still dealing with scintology but I'm

doing something I've not really done on the podcast before and I might venture

into doing more often as this goes on which is to interview somebody on the

other side.

I typically, you know, speak to people who have left

Scientology or whatever other cult or organization it might be

about how bad it was and I find it fascinating and we sit and we talk and we tend to nod and agree.

Well in today's episode I was actually approached by Katie Lohmann who's a former playmate model, as in Playboy, she was part of the whole Hugh Hefner thing,

and she said, like, hey, let's talk Scientology, because she is still a Scientologist. So it's very rare I'm actually

going to present to you today a current member of Scientology Katie Lohman. So I did say to her

look it would be cool to talk about the whole playmate stuff as well,

and what it was like with Hugh Hefnan. I do mention that in this episode as we go on because I think

some aspects of that are quite culty and I do wonder if the same kind of thing that leads somebody to want

to be in the playmate or the playboy mansion might also lead someone a little bit later

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