All right, first time guests on the show, Rich Mogul.

Welcome to the talk show.

Thanks for having me.

I famously sometimes don't do a lot of prep for the show,

but I do keep a running list of topics.

And in the time since my last episode,

there has been a very consistent theme on topics

that I're here to talk about.

And they relate to computer security privacy,

which are not necessarily two sides of the one coin

but are certainly related.

And I thought I've been thinking about having you

on the show for a long time.

And I thought, well, for God's sake,

if with a big list of security related topics,

why not have Rich on the show now?

Thanks, yeah.

I mean, it's excited to be here.

I know for people who aren't familiar with you,

what's your background?

Alcoholism.

Take my kids rock climbing.

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