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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2427 - Bret Weinstein

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan

Comedy

4.6228.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 198 minutes

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Summary

Bret Weinstein, PhD, is an evolutionary biologist, author, and co-host of “The DarkHorse Podcast” with his wife, biologist Heather Heying. They are the co-authors of “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life.”www.bretweinstein.netwww.youtube.com/@DarkHorsePodwww.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/618153/a-hunter-gatherers-guide-to-the-21st-century-by-heather-heying-and-bret-weinstein/ Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:03.9

The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06.1

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

0:12.1

What's happening, Matt?

0:13.4

Hey, good to be back.

0:14.8

Good to see you.

0:15.6

So the reason why we had such a quick turnaround is because the last episode, one of the main reasons why you wanted

0:22.8

to come on in the first place is you wanted to further discuss some discoveries about evolution.

0:32.1

Yes, specifically, I have alluded in a number of different places, including here to there being

0:39.0

another level to Darwinian evolution that does a lot of the heavy lifting that we require

0:47.4

in order to explain the diversity of forms that we see in biology.

0:51.7

But I haven't been specific on what I believe that layer is. And I felt

0:57.1

like it was time. I think, for one thing, the advances in AI mean that such things are going

1:06.0

to emerge naturally. And I wanted to put it on the table before it simply gets discovered as a matter

1:12.3

of computing horsepower.

1:13.5

And we were just rambling about so many different things that we never got to it last time.

1:16.9

So we said, all right, let's do another quick turnaround, come back.

1:20.6

Right.

1:21.6

All right.

1:22.6

So, um, let's let's talk biology and let me just say, you know, I know that's not everybody's bag, but I do think just about everybody has at some point listened to the story that we tell about adaptive evolution and wondered if it's really powerful enough to explain all of the creatures that we all know and love.

1:43.6

Right.

1:43.9

So the classic story is that you have a genome, that it contains a great many genes.

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