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Welcome to Crawl Space. I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance, how are you today?

Oh, it couldn't be better. I'm pretty excited about what we have here for the episode

on Crawl Space today. Something super important to us that originally aired on Missing.

That's right. It's an interview with the impressive Dr. Jane Monkton Smith who wrote an amazing

book that I read after the interview and just want to say, got to get this book. It could

save lives and will save lives. The book is called in control dangerous relationships and how

they end in murder and you can get that on Amazon and Lance, she's developed this homicide

timeline. It is truly remarkable. Right. The eight stages. So there are eight escalating

stages, which inevitably leads to murder, but she does point out you can stop it. You can

recognize, you know, step four. You can get out of the situation. You can tell people about

it, but this is typically what she sees through her work. She's a professor of public

protection at the University of Gloucestershire over there in England. And all of the experience

that she's had has led her to develop these eight stages. Now this is her theoretical framework

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