Warning, this is a true crime podcast and is not suitable for all audiences. Please use discretion.

Just a quick note to say that this episode is not the typical format of the real podcast.

On the 17th of May 2025, I did a 24-hour live podcast to raise money for an incredible charity, Victim Support UK. The stream was

recorded and each session that took place has been edited into an episode for you to listen to.

Because this was a live stream, the sound quality is not as polished as the regular episodes of the podcast usually are.

But I hope you'll find the conversations as insightful and interesting as I did.

If you'd like to donate to the fundraiser, please find a link in the show notes.

In this session, I spoke to an incredible podcaster, an

investigative journalist, but I'm sure many of you will know, Headley Thomas. He's the

creator of Shandy's story, Bronwyn and the teacher's pet. He's done some incredible work,

and I don't mind admitting that I'm a bit of a fan. So apologies

if that comes across at times during this conversation. When I announced your name, I never had

such a full inbox in my life. Okay.

That's amazing.

Honestly, people are so, so thrilled.

I think to get to know the man behind some of their most beloved podcasts,

you know, the ones that they've really felt emotions,

really sort of really listened intently to your research and your impeccable journalism. So today it's all, it's all about you.

For the next hour, it's Matt Headley Thomas. Thank you so much.

Thank you, Mary. And you're joining me. No, look, it's actually a privilege and I pleasure to be joining you, and I've been listening

to some of your podcasts, and I've been listening with my wife this morning to the tragic

case of Kirsty in Benadourm, and, you know, we're a little way in but you know your your storytelling and

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