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Just a quick note to say that this episode is not the typical format of the real podcast.

On the 17th of May 2025, I did a 24-hour live podcast to raise money for an incredible charity, Victim Support UK. The stream was

recorded and each session that took place has been edited into an episode for you to listen to.

Because this was a live stream, the sound quality is not as polished as the regular episodes of the podcast usually are.

But I hope you'll find the conversations as insightful and interesting as I did.

If you'd like to donate to the fundraiser, please find a link in the show notes.

And joining me now, this is such a treat for me. I've, I've been really

looking forward to this. So Catherine Denkinson is an investigative journalist and researcher,

not shying away from difficult or controversial topics. Before this, she worked in mental health

services, I believe, and Catherine came onto my radar in June

2004 when she teamed up with TV presenter Sue Perkins on a podcast about serial fraudster

Samantha Cooks, aka Carrie Jade. And their podcast, Carrie Jade does not exist, is honestly a

masterpiece. And we're going to be discussing that series now, along with some

other questions that people sent me when I announced that Catherine would be joining us today.

Thank you so much, Catherine. It's so lovely to have you on. Oh, thank you for having me. It's

lovely to be here. So, congratulations on the success of Carrie Jait does not exist.

I've got so many questions about that.

I actually, the TV company that I worked for for my day job, we just did a show called Chessmasters.

And Sue was our presenter.

And when I went to the screening, she was there and I ran over to her and everyone's

talking to her about chess and all the other wonderful stuff she does, but all I could talk to her

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