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The Symbolic World

239 - Jordan Hall and John Vervaeke - Egregores, Mobs and Demons

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8824 Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2022

⏱️ 99 minutes

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Summary

In this conversation with Jordan Hall and John Vervaeke we discuss the meaning and implications of "egregores" as described by the recent two articles on the Symbolic World Blog by Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence as well as in the book "Meditations on the Tarot" by Valentin Tomberg. The question of egregores is part of our ongoing discussion about higher beings, collective intelligence, distributed cognition and principalities. We also discuss our current world, our language as a secular culture, what a solution to the meaning crisis will look like and artificial intelligence. Original video: https://youtu.be/89uP5KiP1sI - The Symbolic World vs Egregores, Part 1 by Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence: https://thesymbolicworld.com/articles/the-symbolic-world-vs-egregores-part-1/ - The Symbolic World vs Egregores, Part 2 by Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence: https://thesymbolicworld.com/articles/the-symbolic-world-vs-egregores-part-2/ ===================== - The Symbolic World website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com - Merch: http://www.thesymbolicworld.store - Language of Creation, by Matthieu Pageau: https://www.amazon.com/Language-Creation-Cosmic-Symbolism-Genesis-ebook/dp/B07D738HD8 Support this podcast: - Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/support/ - Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos - Subscribestar: https://www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau - Paypal: http://www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Join the conversation: - Unofficial Facebook discussion group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1989208418065298/ - The Symbolic World Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSymbolicWorld/ Social media links: - Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld - Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson. My website designers, Anomalist Design: https://www.anomalistdesign.com/

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0:00.0

It seems like there's a good reason to talk about this just because it happened with it yesterday or a few days ago.

0:06.0

If you followed this story about the Google employee who declared Lambda one of the AI bodies to be sent to the

0:16.0

silliness with which such a large fraction of our collective intelligence was effusively oriented towards

0:23.6

something is just evidence of the ease by which a relatively mediocre AI, if improperly deployed,

0:32.6

could take advantage of our lower natures and the decadent corruption and otherwise profane aspects of

0:40.4

the paperclip maximizer in which we live to further the process of converting us all into

0:46.9

paperclips.

0:50.2

This is the problem that I see.

0:53.8

It's less a problem of sort of like everything's hunky dory,

0:56.6

but we accidentally create, you know, Terminator 2 or something like that.

1:00.7

It's more like it's all part of a reciprocal narrowing that we call civilization

1:05.8

and that we're living within.

1:07.8

And we need to actually find our way out of that in general.

1:21.9

Yeah. we're living within, and we need to actually find our way out of that in general. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

1:35.3

Yeah. Welcome to the symbolic world. I think like one of the things that I think is going to be important in this conversation is that is that it's going to be, when I listen jordan when i listen to you speak sometimes i don't

1:45.2

understand what you're saying and i think part of it is just terminology you have a whole set of

1:50.8

of terms that are different from the ones that i use and i've learned to to know john's terms and so i

1:56.8

kind of understand what when he says something i know i kind of have a background to what he said, what he's saying.

2:02.1

Whereas you sometimes I hear you say something and the conversation continues.

2:07.0

And I'm like, I didn't get like I didn't understand what he's referring to there.

2:11.0

And so I think that we'll have to be like at least you have to be generous with me in this conversation.

2:15.5

Sometimes I'll stop you and say, I don't know what that means.

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