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This month, Green Dreamer is also sponsored by my favorite tea brand, Arbor Tees,

and I'm so grateful for their support during this time.

They source loose leave and organic certified teas. They use backyard compostable packaging,

which they've been doing for the past 10 years, by the way. Their operations run on solar energy,

and all of their efforts are offset by carbon fund. I myself only bought tea from Arbor Tees this past year. I love supporting

them as a small family-owned business, and I also love gifting it to friends and family to support

their well-being. To shop Arbor Tees Organic Tees, just head to Arbor teas.com. That's A-R-B-O-R-T-E-A-S.com.

Climate denial has benefited tremendously from earlier episodes of corporate denial, particularly the denial around the ozone layer depleting chemicals and tobacco, because what

happened was the industries that were confronting more regulation

recognized that they really needed to band together to oppose the whole idea of particularly

environmental and health regulations.

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